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Can those that are informed tell me the good and the bad of taking Bio-identical hormones? I am seriously thinking of searching out a Dr. to try these but worry about the long term effects. Can anyone help me?
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babyblue- I feel for you. Having three children and going through natural childbirth was a piece of cake compared to perimenopause, well I have had every symptom in the book. And yes, bioidentical hormones is the route I have taken. My choice, my decision with my physicians.
You need to do research as this is a medical issue. I would look on the Mayo clinic site, Dr. John Lee, Suzanne Sommers "The Naked Truth about Bioidentical Hormones". There are tons of others It is such a personal and important decision for every woman to make. Just know you are not alone and talk to a Physician.
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First of all, "bio-identical" refers to replicating the biologically identical balance of hormones particular to your body, not to biologically natural hormone sources -- your personal formula will be made from the same synthetic hormones regular HRT (premarin, for example)is made of.
Secondly, there are still serious risks to hormone replacement of any kind and whether or not you are a good candidate for any kind of hormone treatment should be discussed with a doctor who knows you well and is quite familiar with your medical history, including a family history.
Thirdly, there are a TON of charlatans out there in the hormone replacement field. Be very, very careful and do your research meticulously. Get second and third opinions. Let your regular physician know what you're up to -- these hormone treatments can contraindicate many, many medications and treatments, and he or she can tell you what the dangers of combining hormone replacement with for bone loss or cholesterol or high blood pressure or blood thinning (among others).
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I go to Dr. Hotze at Hotze Health and Wellness, he is featured in Suzanne's new book. Check out his website it is very informative.
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Hotze has some seriously questionable political ties, is an extreme right-winger (and that's coming from me!), has used his political ties to get around basic requirements in his pharmacy practice, and needs to be researched very carefully. The Texas press has reams of articles questioning this guy's political ties and practices, and his products have been questioned by a slew of serious, respected physicians and by medical governing bodies.
Quackwatch has some dirt on this guy, too, and also addresses the issue of bioidentical hormones and the problems thereof as well. Some of these bioidentical compounding pharmacies have been cited for including known carcinogens in their supposedly "natural" compounds, including forms of estrogen directly linked to increased risk of breast cancer. The Women's Health Initiative does not recommend this type of treatment at all.
Really, start with your regular physician, and then contact your nearest major teaching hospital for a recommendation.
Be very, very careful with this stuff -- no matter what these folks want to call it, hormone treatments come with life-threatening risks.
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JRSYGRL wrote:Hotze has some seriously questionable political ties, is an extreme right-winger (and that's coming from me!), has used his political ties to get around basic requirements in his pharmacy practice, and needs to be researched very carefully. The Texas press has reams of articles questioning this guy's political ties and practices, and his products have been questioned by a slew of serious, respected physicians and by medical governing bodies.
Quackwatch has some dirt on this guy, too, and also addresses the issue of bioidentical hormones and the problems thereof as well. Some of these bioidentical compounding pharmacies have been cited for including known carcinogens in their supposedly "natural" compounds, including forms of estrogen directly linked to increased risk of breast cancer. The Women's Health Initiative does not recommend this type of treatment at all.
Really, start with your regular physician, and then contact your nearest major teaching hospital for a recommendation.
Be very, very careful with this stuff -- no matter what these folks want to call it, hormone treatments come with life-threatening risks. Dr. Hotze's polictical beliefs have nothing to do with his expertise in a natural approach to health and wellness. All slanderous accusations about his medical practices have been disproven. This is nothing but sour grapes from the main stream medical community, those are the people you need to be careful of going to. Main stream HRT definitely is carcinogenic.
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Well, yes, right-wing fundamentalist ian conservatives who advocate "taking over" an established political party and replacing it with members of it's own ian Fundamentalist party are problematic, especially when they use their political ties to get out of following standard operating procedures in their compounding parties.
Also, it't pretty telling when respected members of the alternative medical community question this guy and the whole "bioidentical" movement altogether.
There are no "slanderous" accusations about his clinics and practices. There are legitimate questions and they have indeed been addressed (not "disproven").
ALL hormones, including the ones our bodies produce naturally, have the potential to feed certain cancers. That's just a fact. Some of us, myself included, are genetically more likely to develop those cancers (I, at the age of 47, am the oldest surviving female in my family. The rest of the women in my family have all died of breast cancer. My mother, the female to live the longest before dying from this disease, lived to 54. What I don't know about breast cancer and hormones ain't worth knowin'), and hormone therapy of any kind, including plant estrogens, are risky for us. Actually, doctors are now asking women to back off their use of soy products in their diets because they're discovering that the plant estrogens mimic the behavior of our own estrogen and can lead to higher cancer risk.
The mainstream medical community isn't pushing HRT at all -- they're the ones asking women to exercise caution. It's these "bioidentical" guys who are pushing the snake oil here. In this case, it's a very, very dangerous sort of snake oil, however, and all I'm saying is go see a REAL doctor who is affiliated with a respected, established hospital. Loose cannons with checkered pasts are not the guys to go to for this stuff.
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It sounds like if I am not mistaken babyblue just really wanted some help for her hormones. This is why this thread was started to help her.
Again babyblue I urge you to become as informed as you can to make the right decision for yourself. Read and see a Physician.
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Well, she's worried about the effects, as well she should be, so it doesn't hurt to point out that there are issues here, too. Also, that this post coincides with Suzanne Sommers' visit indicates this may be why she is interested in this stuff.
Anything to do with hormones, menopause, fertility, etc., needs to be addressed by a physician who knows you and your family medical history and who is not some loon who is out to turn this country into a theocracy and who funds his crazy political ideas by preying on vulnerable women and selling them questionable compounds.
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JRSYGRL wrote:Well, she's worried about the effects, as well she should be, so it doesn't hurt to point out that there are issues here, too. Also, that this post coincides with Suzanne Sommers' visit indicates this may be why she is interested in this stuff.
Anything to do with hormones, menopause, fertility, etc., needs to be addressed by a physician who knows you and your family medical history and who is not some loon who is out to turn this country into a theocracy and who funds his crazy political ideas by preying on vulnerable women and selling them questionable compounds.
I have forwarded all your posts to Dr. Hotze's e-mail, I also called and let him know what is going on here.
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Oooohh...I'm shakin'... Tell ya what, sweetie, I'll call him and email him myself, 'k? And a few reporters. And HSN corporate. Let's see what happens, eh?
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JRSYGRL wrote:First of all, "bio-identical" refers to replicating the biologically identical balance of hormones particular to your body, not to biologically natural hormone sources -- your personal formula will be made from the same sythetic hormones regular HRT (premarin, for example)is made of.
Secondly, there are still serious risks to hormone replacement of any kind and whether or not you are a good candidate for any kind of hormone treatment should be discussed with a doctor who knows you well and is quite familiar with your medical history, including a family history.
Thirdly, there are a TON of charlatans out there in the hormone replacement field. Be very, very careful and do your research meticulously. Get second and third opinions. Let your regular physician know what you're up to -- these hormone treatments can contraindicate many, many medications and treatments, and he or she can tell you what the dangers of combining hormone replacement with for bone loss or cholesterol or high blood pressure or blood thinning (among others).
Premarin is not a bioidentical hormone
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Premarin is not a bioidentical hormone.
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I never said Premarin was a bioidentical hormone. There is no such thing as a naturally occurring bioidentical hormone. You're taking this stuff and you don't even know what it is!
Premarin is a synthesized version of estrogen derived from mare's urine (a completely "natural" source, I might add, for all those who think "natural" is the be all and end all of everything).
The bioidentical compounds you're taking are derived from a variety of sources, just like Premarin is, and just as "natural" as the source Premarin is derived from. However, in order to be utilized by the human body, all these hormones need to be synthesized into a form that is BIOLOGICALLY IDENTICAL to human hormones. Get it now?
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JRSYGRL wrote:I never said Premarin was a bioidentical hormone. There is no such thing as a naturally occurring bioidentical hormone. You're taking this stuff and you don't even know what it is!
Premarin is a synthesized version of estrogen derived from mare's urine (a completely "natural" source, I might add, for all those who think "natural" is the be all and end all of everything).
The bioidentical compounds you're taking are derived from a variety of sources, just like Premarin is, and just as "natural" as the source Premarin is derived from. However, in order to be utilized by the human body, all these hormones need to be synthesized into a form that is BIOLOGICALLY IDENTICAL to human hormones. Get it now?
You don't have a clue what you're writing about. Bioidenticals are derived from plant sources. Premarin is derived from pregnant mare's urine and contains 7 types of estrogen that are foreign to the human body and they are not synthysised out. If you take Premarin you get it all. Bi Est only contains two bioidentical forms of estrogens found in a woman and excludes the carcinogenic variety. A woman has three types of estrogen in her body.
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Babyblue, i agree with the others that you really need to see a couple doctors on this.I made the choice NOT to go this route or any hormones.My doctor talked me out of it as it could lead to worse stuff.I read up on soy as i was taking that and quit because i didnt like what i read.I just try to eat well and get buy. Sometimes it can be a real pain in the b*tt.im 54 and have been in menopause for 3 yrs.I read suzannes first book and found a doctor that would do it her way.It is very costly and if you dont have insurance forget it.You need to go in and have your hormone levals cked 2-3 months sometimes 1-2 months if your under alot of stress or eating wrong. So this is really something to research well and make sure if you do do it you are going to a excellant doctor.
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What amazes me most about all this is that Suzanne Sommers is promoting a guy who is an active, outspoken member of a ian political party which seeks to turn this country into a ian theocracy in which people will be forced to live by Biblical laws (think: the ian Taliban) and who is rabidly anti-gay to the point where he brags about driving over them if they don't get out of Texas. I wonder if she even knows about his political activism and his homophobic/anti-gay stance? Probably not.
He's also claimed to be board-certified when he isn't and believes women shouldn't work outside the home.
The guy is an activist for the ian Reconstructionist movement which actually seeks to turn this country into a theocracy in which we'd all be forced to live under Old Testament law, including returning to stoning for moral transgressions (homoity, sex outside marriage, etc.)
Given his bizarre political leanings and his take on women, why would any woman go to him and trust him with her body?
I've gotten a couple of heads up from a friend in Texas. The background on this guy is actually pretty sickening. Just do a Google search on Dr. Stephen Hotze and ian Reconstructionism.
This is what happens when celebrities latch on to a fad, "write" a book (Suzanne Sommers probably doesn't have the first clue who this guy is and the hateful platform he promotes because someone else did the research and put the book together for her), and equally clueless wannabes follow along.
The deceptions about the hormone stuff are bad enough, but supporting someone who spits on democracy and who is so full of hate for others is just plain wrong. This guy is evil personified, IMO, and he's using all these poor silly women in order to fund something evil.
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OMG!!!! I didn't realize I was asking a loaded question. I am just at my wits end with all this menopause stuff! The hot flashes, weight gain, sleepless nights and a host of many others. All I am trying to do is find an answer to get some relief but it seems there is no answer. I do exercise and eat well but I am still gaining weight. I have had my thyroid checked and hormone levels and my Dr. says I am definitely in menopause. As far as talking to a dr. I have seen both my family dr. and my gyno and both of them say basically your choices are hrt therapy like premarin and all the others. If what you say is true jerseygirl then what is a person to do to have a better quality of life? I am honestly at the end of my rope and don't want to get cancer from taking hormones but I don't know how I can keep going like this.
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Babyblue I hope you can find some relief somehow. I'm 54 & post-menopausal & have said a permanent goodbye to my former willowy self. I managed to avoid HRT for hot flashes & mood swings by *winging it* with an herbal supplement with black cohosh & chastetree berry. I also used a progesterone cream from the health food store. Who knows if I did myself any harm? Guess time will tell. My mother is in her 80s & never took anything besides aspirin, & eventually calcium. Now all I take are vitamins & calcium. And I shop at Chico's for pants, they have different styles to accomodate the menopausal waistline  But good luck with whatever you decide to do
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I also went totally natural during menopause and feel great.I did evening primrose oil, flax seed, OTC natural type products like Promensil, Estroven.I ate vegetarian..soy base products etc.My mother didn't take HRT and is over 80.It takes patience and research.I have had no weight gain, no hot flashes.I have had some insomnia but have that just about taken care of too.It is possible to go natural.I never trusted HRT..as I don't trust any medication even for osteoporosis.That I am doing my way as well.
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